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right now. we've done everything we could do diplomatically to head this off and have a lot of people pressuring the iranians. the iranian economies or mesh he had actually soldiers walk off the job because they're not paid the range of taken social security money from their body inflation's high, people can't jet jeez, i can't afford it. they can afford gasoline. so really this is the moodle as against the people in some respect were they to get into a shooting war with israel they can't count on the support are their own population. those i think they're going to wager that things will look different if they can become a nuclear power and show how that's going to keep them in place. shaw, i see them trying to do something something but being sly, clever maybe something that's a semi deniable, not giving israel a chance to really come in there and take out a drone factories or the

nuclear capacity, or the wrong is building general wesley clark. >> thank you. jeremy diamond as well. thanks. >> that's it for us. the news continues. have a great weekend. the source of kaitlan collins starts now striping the source tonight. donald trump pressing his luck with the jury that will >> decide his fate, his historic first criminal trial set to begin 72 two hours from now, as the judge overseeing it just denied another attempt to delay it. also an election integrity stun house speaker mike johnson, making the pilgrimage tamara logo today in an effort to salvage his speakership. also hyping a bill to ban non-citizens from voting in federal elections, which guess what? this is already illegal and our source tonight is one of those popular authors of all time, best-selling legend james patterson out with a new page turner that could help turn the page and the war on books in america. >> i'm >> kaitlan collins, and this is the source the first. former

president in us history to ever face a criminal trial is now hurtling toward it. it kicks off and just under 72 hours and donald trump is totally calm, cool, and collected. >> just kidding. he's absolutely steaming about it walking as jury selection begins yeah, new york as well >> jury selection is largely luck. >> it depends who you get. >> it's very unfair that >> i'm having a trial there. it's very unfair that we have this judge who hates trump and has tremendous conflict as you know, tremendous conflict nobody can believe that this judge isn't recusing himself >> he is right about one thing when it comes to picking a jury, neither side knows who could end up deciding trump's fate. >> but >> as we said here tonight, three days out from the trial start, chosen legal team is asking for changes to how those questions will be asked. as they did try to determine

herman which of the jurors can be fair you just heard trump blasting judge juan merchan with these baseless accusations. again, the judge tonight just denied another attempt by trump to delay the start of this trial this time blaming excessive pretrial publicity would that denial though tonight all systems appear to be a go with the moment for the monday start. what a big questions that his news conference earlier that still stands despite the answer that you're about to hear is will trump himself, get on the witness stand which is if i absolutely it's a scam. it's a scam that's not a trail testifying. i tell the truth. i may know all i can do is tell the truth and the truth is that there's no case they have no case he has said four, then you will testify and other moments, the molar investigation, other legal issues that he's faced. we'll see if it actually happens. this time because of course, the truth now is that trump faces the real risk of jail time if he says anything

to incriminate himself i'm joined here tonight by a trio of the top legal sources, all veterans of the new york legal seen, ron qb, we're not a stable and arthur aye dala. all here. i raise your hand if you think trump's could actually take the standard this i think there's a good chance, one out of three, he's been look, he's been telling everyone that he's going to do it. he's gonna have to put his money where his mouth is and it's the one decision that his lawyers cannot control if a criminal defendant says he's taking the stand, nobody can stop him. >> that's right. but donald trump has made many, many assertions about what he intends to do, what he's going to do, and indeed what he has done, none of which are true and this kind of momentous decision is a decision that's going to be made at the close of the prosecution's case, not beforehand. and he almost certainly will pass up the opportunity to be cross-examined so it could be weeks if he does actually take this before we see that happen, that would be correct. i know.

and so does ron is the defense attorney, susan necklace. she's a total veteran. she will handcuff him to the table before she allows him to take the stand. he took the stand in his last civil case and the jury crushed him. the game of at $5 judgment. so get the proof is in the pudding. he thought it once before and it failed miserably. so shut up and let your lawyers do the work. >> okay. so we'll wait to see if it happens when we do know is it's going to start monday. that's what it looks like right now. there had been 12, i guess this is now the 13th effort to try to get a delay for monday. it's not working and hasn't worked or didn't work 12 times is there anything lot that they can still try to do before monday or is it starting my heart attack. station? a lawyer suddenly being rushed to the emergency room. i've seen it done clips. i've never done it >> but short of that is >> the trial is going to be starting to what you're going to assume number 14, attempt on monday morning. that's good. it'd be the first thing out of the box because it is going to

be an absolute circus outside of that courthouse. and the first thing they're going to say to the judges, judge jurors have to walk through this gauntlet. there are gonna be prejudiced by this atmosphere that's going on and they're going to ask for a delay just based on that monday morning, and they will get it or get it, but they're going to ask they're going to ask over and over and over again as things happen throughout this trial. >> so once this jury selection gets kicked off i mean, it seems like something that pose feel probably won't pay attention to, but it's actually a huge part of this trial is probably most important part of the entire trial. and judge merchan is running things in a way that is extremely emily efficient and will expedite jury selection, for example, every juror is going to be asked whether at the beginning, whether they can be fair and impartial and anybody who says they cannot be fair and impartial just raises their hands and those people are then excused. so if you call 100 jurors and 80 of them can't be fair and impartial. fine. you've got 20 who said that they can now the fact that

they say they can doesn't mean that in fact they can be, but you already will get rid of so many people in advance who either love trump or hate trump or don't feel that they can sit in the car. >> and one of the questions that they wanted to ask today was they wanted to ask that question separately about whether you can be fair do you think that's a reasonable ask of the trump legal team >> yes. but just to clarify, you enlightened people how it usually works if you have a juror says, i can't be fair and impartial. you usually try to rehabilitate them a little bit. >> well, >> why can't you marry y and ask a follower? and you try to rehabilitate them especially if it's someone who has a background that looks suitable to your side, whether you're the prosecutor, the defense attorney, and the judge will get involved. and sometimes it works here. it just though i can't be fair. boom, you're out and i just spoke to people at the courthouse right before i came on the air they're going to have about 1,000 people that so to run prospective jurors perspective, yours is wrong. qbs point. if

80 of them say, i can't do it it's the lab 900 and behind them to say, okay, well, who can and i think also something you have to look out for is who really wants to be on the trial? in other words for the wrong reasons, who wants to be a juror to write a book, to be sitting next to you when the verdict comes out and there'll be celebrities. so that's another thing that all sides have to look at >> 1,000 people ready to go. i mean, is that how many jurors normally are waiting for a trial? >> how unusual is that >> it's highly unusual. it's probably largest number of jurors that have ever been summoned to 100 center street. but although this process will be efficient in the beginning in terms of people raising their hands and walking out the door, then it's going to get excruciating because he's going to question these jurors orally one-by-one, and there's a 42 question questionnaire now you would expect in a case like this that you'd have a written questionnaire which would probably more be more efficient, but some of these questions are, do you belong to

the oath keeper has have you ever worked for the trump organization do you subscribe to truth social? all of those things that people aren't going to be comfortable saying in open court think there's gonna be a lot of people raising their hands and saying, can i have a sidebar? can i go in the back and that presents all kinds of logistical security concerns. >> did they >> allow that if you've of course, if you want to speak privately, the judge is not going to deny something like that, except and you have the secret service marching up and all kinds of things the judge has already ruled in this very elaborate ruling that the ordinary process they simply can't do that because of the number of people who would be at >> sidebar, all of the attorneys, the prospective juror, the court reporter, the judge, that defendant and the united states secret service, and they just don't have space for that. so it could get complex okay. did but it's not going to be that hard. we have pictures for people who are less popular in new york than donald trump. >> so we're just talking with about harvey weinstein and someone like that going on trial, but can ask you quickly

though, because, you know, judge marcia what's it going to be like for him starting on monday? what should we be expecting? >> first of all, judge mark, sean is a veteran of the trump organization trial, so he knows the players, he knows the people, he knows. susan necklace, one of the defense attorneys, and he brings a very understated, but profound sense of dignity. to the proceedings >> he's >> very much in control. he's not judge engoron, who seems to just want to have a good time. he was of course, the one who tried the civil trial and he's not judged louk kaplan in federal court who tried to e jean carroll case. he was just abrasive and bullying and nasty judgment sean brings dignity, gravitas, and expects it from everyone else. >> we just talked about the scene and i mentioned harvey weinstein everyone soon is that this courthouse god, god, he was at the courthouse me this courthouse has seen a lot and now it's hard to see his history i'm gonna throw a bouquet to the people who run that courthouse. the court

officers and the clerks, they are fantastic. they really are. and they do it so well, are they practiced? they've been rehearsing who goes where and one point about if they have to approach the bench, there's a waiver that donald trump could sign, so that trump and the secret service don't go and approach if a juror wants to speak to the judge and the other parties, when renato and i worked on the harvey weinstein jury selection, it was written questionnaire where they then made photocopies and both sides got photocopies and it did go a lot, a lot quicker here. it's going to be all orally and i mean, yeah us they have questions like, who do you listen to in the morning on talk radio and so it'll be, but we all agree that it's not going to be such a long jury selection. yeah. you you guys were taking bets, not real ones in the green room of how many days it's going to last. >> i'm saying five days, at least i go four and i went to three okay. all right >> anything else so you're

invited back? >> yes. exactly. only the one or no, we'll have you all back. >> look, i mean, the big thing is that the people working on this case and i'm sure that they have jury consultants working on this case. they're going to be doing deep research on these jurors to make sure that the answers that they're getting in court are truthful answers they're not saying one i'm thing just because they want to get on the jury, but their social media says something else their twitter says something else. so that's going to be a huge factor in the jury. >> so let's going to be fascinating. we'll have you all back. don't worry, no matter if you're wrong, maybe if you're not really off the amount of days it takes raw qb ronaldo's tibial arthur aye darla. thank you all for being here up next the big announcement that wasn't so big, the embattled house speaker mike johnson flew to mar-a-lago. today as he and donald trump asked more doubt about election integrity. and manufacturer crisis that actually does not exist in america, proposing a law though that already does. and claiming that he broke roe versus wade, vice president harris agrees with donald trump on something

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problem that doesn't actually exist. and it's a bill that he would nose would never actually make it through the senate >> so what we're going to do is introduce legislation to require that every single person who registers to vote and a federal election must prove that they're an american citizen. first, have to prove it that will be a new part of the federal law and a very important one >> here's the situation though. it's already illegal for anyone who is not a us citizen to vote for president. there are systems in place to make sure it doesn't happen. >> and >> decades of data proofs that it practically never does, certainly nowhere near enough to impact the outcome of an election >> i want to dig into >> what's really going on here with the key republican source, who knows the truth about this issue, and the impact that lies about it can have on real people. gave sterling is the chief operating officer for the georgia secretary of state. of course everyone remembers you mr. sterling from the 2020 election as you were out there

often putting the truth out there. and i just wonder, do you see the point in proposing a bill like this that would prevent something that's already illegal and also almost never happens well, there's a few points about this area is kinda king on the top line of it where he says, where make it to where you have to ask on the front end because you're right, it's >> already illegal to vote that way. but the way that they national voter registration act is written, states can't ask that on the front end except for the normal processes like in georgia were leading the nation on citizenship verification because we are real id state and have been since 2012, just to get a driver's license, get to walk and they were the passport birth certificate, mayor certificate, all those things. so it is a rare, rare thing but codifying is not a bad idea necessarily. and one of the very specific things and speaker talked about was opening up the save database base from homeland. we can do, we use it on one side with the alien identification numbers for those who can become naturalized. but we can't and no state can use the social security numbers to go the

other direction. that'll be a great election of menstruation thing to allow. and i don't think it requires a law. i think the vitamins trace you could open up right now or future republican administration or any administration could allow that to happen right now, we can't do it that way. we can all do it one way. but george leads the nation on this. it's rare. >> it's tiny. but these elections are very close. you can see how this can be exploited. and when i don't understand and georgia, we just had to beat back for the second time in two years most recently, two days ago i'm appointed judge, threw out a loss to give a directed verdict against the people for the coalitions or the coalition of people's agenda here in georgia trying to get rid of our citizenship check progressive groups are trying to do this. that's a real thing that we're not making this up. we've had to beat back a stacey abrams lawsuit one time and the kolisch people agender around the country trying to do this. >> okay. but they're trying to do it through, through lawsuits and they're not it's not just people showing up and trying to register to vote if they're not

us citizens, a lot of states you have to have a driver's license or social security number. so the idea that a ton of people who aren't us citizens are going and voting that are coming across the southern border in voting and throwing are presidential elections as just not true. it doesn't happen. >> oh, it's teeny. teeny tiny, but my question on this is 80% of americans agree, it's just be illegal. this would just be belt and suspenders if they pass a law like this. i think you're right. i think it's politics will kill this although there's some good stuff in there that would help every state in the union bread and blue to have better, cleaner lists. georgia spends millions of dollars cleaning our lives. we have the cleanest lists and america, other states could do this one. a great thing they could do was say, you have to use the same database and do a mash through your voter registration system. and with the fed's provide the money for the states to do that and pass that law. that'd be great. >> it just talking about it the way that it was talked out today. if you watched that and you didn't hear a fact check on it or context of what's really

going on and what actually doesn't happen. it's misleading to people and it makes people think that there is a problem that doesn't exist here. and i just given what you personally went through around the 2020 election when you are a top state election official, i wonder what it's like for you to see a press conference being held by donald trump at mar-lago on what they call election integrity yeah. and >> it was again there are parts of it. i think we're good the underlying issue we have our seeing across the country and every state, whether it was 70% for trump or 70% for biden the tide is rising again of people denying elections my point is the way you increase trust that elections is through good election administration. and transparency. and following the law and telling the truth, obviously this is something again, over 80% of americans agree on. there shouldn't even be a fight about some of these things. but i see the point where people are trying to say they're trying to exploit it.

my point is, why don't we just take the good parts of say, the sum we can all agree on. i know it's hard to say that we should be bipartisan on anything because of trump says something, sometimes it's obviously bad. but i think in reality is there's phase to bring people to the table on this and maybe pass something that can increase people's faith in elections and give us better elections in terms of transparency and great voting lists that we had to focus on. okay. but the reason that people have doubt in the election, and i know that i'm telling you this and you know this. but the reason people have doubt is because they've been beat over the head ed for four years by top republicans who go out there and say that there are legitimate questions about the 2020 election when there aren't, it was a safe and secure election. georgia who did multiple recounts. some of them by hand knows that better than anyone and there is no fraud that exists. and even speaker johnson acknowledged that today and said well, we've got to stop the widespread fraud before there is widespread fraud, but there is no widespread fraud. and i think that's why people dealt the election is because they're told by a lot of top elected

officials that it wasn't safe and secure there lied to over and over and over again. i get it. >> but maybe they would feel >> americans who do have doubts. maybe they would feel better if there was a coming together on issues that we can all agree on. >> and then maybe >> it makes those claims out there have less juice to them. that's kinda what i'm saying here is democrats play into this because they start fighting and immediately are swinging the baseball bat and they both are swinging the baseball bat at each other. and that makes people feel like, well, why are they fighting noncitizen voting? because every time i talk to a democrat said, we're not for noncitizen voting. and i said, well then vote to put those guardrails in place that could help us to make people believe that. and maybe that's the way we can come together. i get there trying to lay a foundation for if he loses saying the election was stolen, i hundred percent agree with that, and i think that's true. but why not take take the card out of their deck

and say, okay, fine, we'll pass this or we'll do part of this. like i said, there's good parts they were talking about. and then maybe they can say democrats are finding all this election integrity things and maybe those people who are on the fence, not that there's people who will will never believe yeah. but there's a lot of people have questions because there was smoke, there's fire how are we addressing those people? because it's fair in their heart, they believe some of these because they're friends believe, and people they trust believe it and we haven't answered. let's satisfaction >> yeah. it's listen, i get annoyed from elected officials who tell me all the time, i know this is not real but my people, like, you need to be a leader in liters tell people things they don't want to hear, that makes you a better leader. and those citizens better citizens >> gabriel sterling, it's great to get your perspective on this. thanks for joining thanks, kaye, one, we have another republican source here tonight, joining us, former congressman adam kinzinger and congressman i was going to start with youbut on other networks, they can point to that and say that speaker

johnson was there talking about election been stolen and election integrity issues this is a wink and a nod to the people that believe the election was stolen, that is the only reason that they did this at mar-a-lago today, there was no other reason for the two of them to stand up there and talk about election integrity, except to throw shade at 20:20 and continue to push the lie that the 2020 election was stolen right? >> i mean, we all knew that's what it was going to be going into this because there is no widespread fraud, there is no need for this. it's already isf you're watching licsn and washington speaker mike johnson has had some people who are out for his job right now, including marjorie taylor greene, the congresswoman from georgia, who has been making very clear that that she doesn't support him and she doesn't think he's doing a good job and she she would like to oust him and as he flew down there today, this is the the vote of confidence he got from donald trump

>> were getting along very well with the speaker and i get along very well with marjorie we have a speaker. he was voted in and who is a complicated process and i think very it's not not an easy situation for any speaker. i think he's doing a very good job. he's doing about as good as you're going to do. and i'm sure that marjorie understands that that was notable. i mean, that assurance as a prominent member of the house conference was trying to say that he shouldn't be in that job anymore. donald trump saying you should does hold weight with republicans as you know? >> yeah. i mean, look, this is marjorie taylor greene has jumped the shark you know, america's second vr honestly, and her colleagues are sick of her. i mean, i've not talked to a single one of our colleagues on the republican sayyed, and i still stay in touch with many of them that have anything nice to say a better she's out there for show. she's trying to raise money. she's trying to

get attention. >> and i think she thought that she would have people with her in this effort to hold this over the head of mike johnson. it'll be interesting to see if in fact the house takes up ukraine for instance, this coming week, which i got hope they do and they need to is this a way for mike johnson to have gone down, talked with donald trump, gotten his endorsem*nt, in essence. now marjorie taylor greene can threaten a motion to vacate all she wants, but you have to have two in this type majority if she's alone on this, they're not going to vacate the chair against johnson if he puts ukrainian and on the floor and frankly, the democrats should cut a deal with him anyway. he does, but i think there's probably a little of that to play. will know next week, but certainly for my if you're mike johnson, you're happy about that press conference today. >> we see why it happened. >> congressman adam >> kinzinger, great to have you tonight. thank you. >> you bet yep >> with abortion bans spreading across the nation as we saw what happened in arizona this week, the biden campaign is going on offense dispatching

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universe appearance. the difference at moon pod.co, news night with abby phillip tonight at tim eastern on cnn >> a real split-screen on abortion today for the next six months, probably is the battle over reproductive rights is taking center stage ahead of the 2024 election former president donald trump simultaneously calling arizona's near-total abortion ban from the civil war era inappropriate. while also urging state lawmakers to remedy the 160 year-old law. all z is also continuing to take credit for the very reason that arizona is in this position in the first place the supreme court overturning roe versus wade when he was pressed

today on whether or not he'd sign a federal abortion ban if he's reelected. trump insisted that he wouldn't, because he says it's not needed anymore. >> do we don't need it any longer because we broke roe v. wade. >> and >> what we did was give it back to the states. and now the states are working their way through it >> and you >> go, are you having some very, very beautiful harmony to be honest with you? >> harmony, quiet given there are dozens of lawsuits challenging abortion laws across the country and also women living in fear and limbo, really, every single day and compare all of this cao, the biden campaign was handling it today. biden campaign on offense as they dispatched vice president kamala harris to issue this warning from arizona no >> trump wants us to believe he will not sign a national ban enough with the gas lighting, enough with the gas light we all know if donald trump gets

the chance. he will sign a national abortion ban and how do we know >> just look at his record >> the biden campaign in addition to doing things like sending out the vice president or is airing two new ads in arizona to highlight how these anti-abortion policies are putting women's lives at risk one of the ads featured my next guest, a texas woman who nearly died twice after she was denied care for a miscarriage because of her state's abortion ban. as you'll see in the ad, amanda is arou ski is still mourning the loss the baby that she wanted to name willow >> there's for a little baby book >> it's just the outfit she was donna maybe where home from the hospital >> all >> this is the blanket that she

would footprints okay. >> amanda, israel's key joins me now. and amanda, it's it's i can't even imagine first off how hard it is to rewatch that add let alone to have done it and to be in an into be out here publicly talking about it. i mean, as the add notes, you wanted to septic shock things were so bad and you know, just given that, what is it that drives you to come out and to share your story and to talk about it like you are well

thank you for having me and thank you for acknowledging the difficulty because it's not easy to watch it. i've seen it several times and it's still really difficult >> but what >> happened to me was barbaric and it was completely preventable. it didn't need to happen. it was avoidable and i think one of my greatest fears is that what happened to me will happen to other people. and so as difficult as it is for me to relive that over and over again. there's nothing more important to me right now. then making sure that we fix the state of reproductive rights in our country so that this doesn't continue to happen to other people >> well, and i know you've you've been out on the campaign trail for president biden and i imagine you've probably been hearing from a lot of people who see your story and they have a similar story, or they are scared that they could be that woman that going through what you went through you're absolutely right. >> every time i talk about

this, every time i do an event on the campaign trail or otherwise, i hear from so many people who either have had a very similar experience or they know someone who has are they're afraid they're going to this is impacting everyone across the country and i met a woman in north carolina just this week who had a very similar story to me. she turns 80. i think she said next week and she had an abortion. >> yeah. she had an abortion pre row, so it was illegal but she wanted into septic shock and nearly died just like i did. and so when i hear these stories, i realize unfortunately mine is not uncommon anymore. and if trump is re-elected, this is going to be the norm in our country and so when i hear other people's stories and when i meet other people this community that's what really, really keeps me going. >> i mean, it must be remarkable two hear from someone in our generation to

hear your story, but then to hear something an 80 year-old woman saying, yeah, i went through something like that too. >> it's really jarring because you think we've come a long way since the 50s and the 60s, but it seems to me certainly like we're going back in time and the thing that is especially during to me is thinking about the generation in between my mom, my mother-in-law, they had more rights than o and that's insane to me. we are literally going back in time >> when you hear former president trump today as we just did in that sound bite insisting he won't sign a federal abortion ban if he's reelected. >> do >> you do believe him >> no, of course not >> he is a liar. we know that he's a proven liar time and then again, he has said that he would support and sign a national abortion ban all you

have to look at in order to know how he feels about situation is this tracker, it speaks itself. >> what about when you hear from other arizona has been the focus this week and kari lake is one of these politicians who previously was on the record voicing support for the law that is now going to be in place. this civil war era abortion ban, near-total abortion ban but now she's saying that's not how i feel. i oppose this. i mean, what are, what are voters supposed to do in a situation where they're hearing from someone who says, well, now i agree with how you feel, but a year ago, i didn't well i think voters need to not fall for kamala harris said the gaslighting and not fall for smoke and mirrors show >> that republicans are now putting on because they know that this is a key issue. they know that this is a critical aspect of this year's election, and they know that most voters don't agree with these barbaric near-total

abortion bans. and so they're trying to walk both sides at the line when in reality in the past, they have already said the extremists that they support these bans and so i encourage voters to really educate themselves and don't fall for the smoke and mirrors because that's what it is. it's all for show amanda israel skate. it's great to talk to you. thank you for joining me tonight >> thank you so much for having me appreciate you >> we are getting some breaking news that's our sources are telling us here at cnn that the us expects a ron will carry out direct strikes against targets inside of israel were gathering details right now, we'll have more with our sources right after a quick break >> laura coates live tonight et 11 eastern on cnn, show. >> my daughter tells us you're in television and only $40 a month. >> i'm like that >> last overpriced package my favorite channels for less, family has values. sling is value

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israel's strike last week in damascus that killed a senior iranian commanders. here tonight, retired air force colonel and cnn military analysts, cedric leighton and just to hear this that iranian proxies could also be involved in these expected attacks on israel directly. what do you make of that? >> caitlin? good evening. i think one of the key things here is that the iranians are going to use as much of their force that they can. in other words, both the proxies and possibly some of their own forces is specifically the revolutionary guards that are forward deployed in places like syria and lebanon. and perhaps other areas and do they would be able to do some major damage if they were able to synchronize their operations with his ally in the area with lebanon and israel. and then as well as the possibility exists that they might use jordanians soil to mount attacks as well. now the jordanians will not approval for that but the radians might use that anyway.

so this is the kind of thing that israel has to deal with potentially, they should be ready for it, but it is definite escalation. if it does come out that the that iran will actually use its own soil and its own troops for these retaliatory strikes. >> i mean, the us observed served iran already, according to our reporting today, readying is many as 100 cruise missiles i mean, what's this actually going to look like when it seems as if it's imminent yeah. >> and what they're going to try to do is overwhelmed the israeli defense systems. we've heard a lot about the iron dome. there's also a system called arrow that is designed to, to actually prevent ballistic missiles from coming into israeli aerospace and doing damage in israel so use rayleigh's are going to have to make sure that these systems are ready to go of course, they also have the patriot system and that's the kind of thing that is going too. i think we are drawing. it's going to be

in essence of war, of drones forms. and it couldn't concentrated missile attacks against certain targets if it goes to the way we think it will, right now. and that also means that it's for air defense systems. so that would be the kind of thing that we could see in these kinds of battle to be very short duration or they could foretell a larger, more involved conflict between both iran and israel yeah, we'll be watching closely, obviously the pentagon and the national security council and situation room all watching this kernel. cedric leighton, thank you for hopping all with us on this breaking news. we will continue to monitor the monitor this story other if there are any more developments in this hour, we will bring them to you as we continue to wait for that, though, just in the next few weeks. the other thing we've been watching and paying very close attention to the supreme court. they are going to be deciding a handful of high-profile cases that have profound consequences for all americans. whether or not donald trump is immune from

prosecution if he can face charges and his federal trials. whether prosecutors went too far and charging some of the january 6 rioters, and also so the availability of mifepristone, the primary drug that is being used across the us by many women for medication, abortions. i want to bring in my inside source tonight, joan biskupic, who is also seen as a senior supreme court analyst and th of the excellent book, nine black robes and hi the supreme court's drive to the right and it's historic consequences out in paperback on april 16th, if you don't already own it, like i do. and joe, you are one of the best supreme court reporters and observers that i know. and ever since the supreme court overturned roe versus wade, we've seen everything playing out like with arizona this week do you think the justices were at all bracing for that? did they have an understanding of what it was going to look like >> well, two things. kaitlan, first of all, it's great to see you, but remember it was a bear five justice majority that reverse roe v. wade. so they were bound and determined and

they reached out to even hand it'll that decision when it was just a 15 week ban in front of them. so i think the determination of the majority was there irrespective of what they might have seen in the future that said brett kavanaugh, who is a key fifth vote, wrote a separate statement, kaitlan talking about how it would now be left to the people and their elected representatives. and that judges would no longer be putting the position of making these difficult policy decisions. but look, arizona was a group of judges who did that. and the mifepristone abortion medication case that you referred to? it's a group of federal judges who have tried to restrict that so what brett kavanaugh at least envisioned hasn't come to pass. >> yeah. and we've seen it the alabama state >> supreme court with ivf and that matter as well. speaking of brett kavanaugh, there's a key moment in your book that stood out to me when i first started from 2018, we're trump held the swearing in ceremony for brett kavanaugh. i was

covering the white house at that time. i remember this very well. every single supreme court justice attended and their names were read aloud. and when you look at that moment now and how unusual that is, i wonder what's telling to you about it. >> a couple of things. first of all, the justices themselves were a little bit tricked into attending. they had been given a bit of a guarantee from the white house counsel's office wouldn't have been overly political event. and it turned out to be extremely political. but when donald trump read all their names individually, he was almost as if he was holding them up as blue ribbons. you know, when you always acted as if the court was his, remember, in the early days of his administration when he lost in lower courts on some policy issues, he'd say, wait till we get to the supreme court. but i have to say katelyn just last monday when donald trump announced his new abortion position, saying he wanted to leave it for sure to the states

>> at the end of that >> announcement in that video, he again thanks the justices individually by name, who voted to undercut roe v. wade thanks. thanks, the justices, as if it were done for him, and i think that we're just going to see more of that. the key question will be is when the justices take up cases that are tied to donald trump in upcoming weeks, how much he will be able to thank them? >> yeah. in two weeks from now, we'll listen to them, talk about here his immunity arguments. and of course, or prosecutors, joan biskupic, the book is the perfect preparation for those hearings. everyone should read it as nine black robes. thank you for coming on tonight. sure. thank you. >> of course, joan is not the only bestselling author who is here up next, james patterson is out with a new book of his that as a very personal fission and wrote something we've covered here a lot at the source to celebrate what isn't coming under increasing attack. here are the us >> i met with the turbotax

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victims and their families. if you or a loved one who has been diagnosed with mesothelial oma kalisa. now here's a number that's hard to believe last year, americans tried to ban more book titles than the us ever has before. and this fast-growing movement that we've been covering here, banning certain books based on claims that they are inappropriate for children that's why my next guess. bestselling author james patterson says there's never been a more important time to celebrate booksellers and librarians period. his new book that is out this week, secret lives of booksellers and librarians. and it has excellent. and james, it's great to have you here because we are saying this moment that we've been covering in my home phone an alibi bam, a booksellers, librarians being caught in the middle of this fight. and i wonder what it's like for you to see that >> it's just fair to say, i wonder kaitlan, if you would be here in your job, if it wasn't for your experience and in your hometown on a library and i

don't think i would be here if it 't for my experience in york in liary, my mother w was a teache but sheorked libraries on saturday, i'm all in our librians and bookllers ey're very good people are trying to do the right thing. and they're being beaten up now, which is really sad. it's just crazy what was special for you about going to the library grown-up >> i just learning, learning how to use a library and just the variety of voices that the number of, of you could just visit anywhere and you could, you could learn about things that you could never learned about in your hometown. hometown was a little limited in this too. so a big stage and you know, in terms of banning, it's such a crazy thing in the sense that you have people who a lot of people who are in terms of banning books, they're the kind of people that they they don't want the government and in their face, they want the government and your face

though >> and i don't want >> strangers telling two people in my family what they should shouldn't read. i don't want that. you take care your house. i'll take care of my house. i think that's reasonable >> libraries are supposed to be safe havens for for kids to read and you have the book, this amazing statistic in your life. it starts off, you take, you say in america, we urge everyone over the age of 18 to vote, but only 15% of voters read books. >> i mean, we >> should be encouraging more people freed at this point. >> no, absolutely. yeah. yeah. yeah >> and open our minds. i mean, that's a key to everything i used to be. you know, this kaitlan in washington for democrats and republicans would fight, fight, fight over you basically over big government or small government that's what it really comes down to. it's not a the other side is and then they go out to eat together. we need to get back to that human beings talking to human beings. and coming to a solutions i think. and i'm one of them is this book banning thing is just it's just saying crazy. here's my one thing for live libraries though, and my,

my mark getting thing. big banners in front of every library in the country. the free store. the free store, the free store. if we had the free store and you're mall, you'd have a line around the block. we just need to need to change the perception of libraries a little bit. they're wonderful places, wonderful people they are safe places and it's all free. >> what could be better than that? >> that's such a good point that it really is. it's just, a place for people to go to read, to learn you're completely right about a small town because that is why i valued my library. i think it was a moment to go and read about things i didn't know about yeah. yep. yep >> now, i loved it when my mother, >> i guess it was teacher and the librarian on saturdays so we were there my to my three sisters and myself. that was the deal >> well, james patterson, i love all your books, but i am especially excited about this one. thank you for joining us to talk about just how we're going get together for the alabama wisconsin game next year?

>> yes. >> we are this year. i hadn't late this year. >> i'm gonna have you were an alabama t-shirt i don't think so >> james powders and great to have you thank you f for joinin us and thank you also for joining us. sina news night with abby phillip starts right now

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